Posts by Old Navy

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144,000 & The Trinity

by Libby in

now that i'm looking beyond what the wt teaches i'm struggling to find information on three topics.

the 144,000, the trinity and prayer.. if anyone has 5 minutes could they explain:.

1. what do other religions think the 144,000 are or is?

Since "The Trinity" is not a Biblical teaching there is no Biblical requirement to support it; all that is necessary Biblically is to believe that there is a Heavenly Father; a Son and a Holy Spirit. Even when the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. by vote decided upon the Doctrine of The Trinity there was not complete agreement. In fact, there hasn't been since either. Initially, those who refused to believe the new doctrine of The Trinity were persecuted and executed. Thankfully, that no longer happens but the emotional levels of disagreement can often elevate to nearly that outcome.

The 144,000 will know who they are and what they must do. It is not up to them just as it wasn't up to Saul on the road to Damascus.

I have found these explanations to be very helpful:

The Great Commission, Part 1

The Great Commission, Part 2

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Dealing with Elderly Parents Who Still Believe the jw Religion is the truth

by lancelink in

i left the religion back in 2008 right after my mother died,( the total lack of natural love/ affection was the final straw for me).. but my dad has become more and more focused on doing the wt bidding.. it just amazes me how he gushes on and on about the last days, his new bible studies, and meeting parts .

but yet he makes no effort to have any type of relationship with his grandkids, there are 5 of them , non are witnesses.

they are the children from several different sisters of mine, and myself.. so how do you deal with the witness stuff always being presented in conversations?.

Old Navy

Seeds of Truth must be planted delicately and gently when dealing with Old Timers. We ourselves have little to do with the "changing of minds." When seeds are planted forcefully the reaction is a reinforcement of already held beliefs. We, as former Mind-Numbed Borgs, know how well that goes...

As long as the Old Timers are leading "good" lives perhaps the wisest course, as has already been suggested, is to just let them be. Well, even if they're not.

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DA myself to relieve great pressure?

by Isambard Crater in

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my lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.

sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..

Old Navy

It is very sad that the fear-based-mind-control-techniques utilized by the WTborg are able to penetrate so deeply into the psyche. It is distressing and painful to to observe how those fears can, even years after leaving The Cult, create turmoil and deprive the afflicted of true happiness and Love.

Fortunately, I was able to break free by an escape route through the Navy before the "programming" took control. Even then, nagging doubts about Armageddon and the possibility that WTborg were as they say. Finally, reading the Word of the Bible with the mind of a child, putting all doctrine embedded by WTborg out of though, enabled me to discover the truth of what is written. It is a great relief to find it is written that All shall be saved, Not a single one will be left out or forgotten. The penalty for sin is death, at which time the penalty is paid, and there is no such thing as eternal destruction or disqualification from the resurrection.

I know, many struggle with these thoughts too, But once the sacred secrets are revealed the Good News becomes Really Good News!

There are Bible Truth resources available on the Web which assist unbelievers in comprehending the Simple Truths of what is written and how Christendom (including WTborg) has badly distorted those truths, for any who may be interested in learning.

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What was Jesus last name???

by James Mixon in

jesus in hebrew means "savior' and christ in greek means "messiah".

these are identifiers --not names in jesus case.. where did the name christ come from, his parents???

?i can see the name jesus (first name) but christ.

Old Navy

One day we shall all know. The Apocalypse or the Revelation; the unveiling of all hidden knowledge.

Looks like it has already begun in The District. Efforts to do a "soft coup" on The Trumpster are uncovering all manner of dirt on the DemoCraps.

The End may be nearer than we thought.

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I started a new podcast about my life as a JW today

by dubstepped in

so, i did a thing today.

i officially launched a podcast called "this jw life".

people keep saying that i should write a book, but i don't even read books, unless in audio format.

Old Navy

Well done Dubstepped! Your web pages are easy to navigate and the quality of your recordings is excellent.

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Baby update and quick hello.

by Darkknight757 in

i wanted to take a moment to give a quick baby update.

my last post mentioned that we lost twin b at 17 weeks but twin a is doing well so far.

we are 25 weeks tomorrow and a week past the point of viability so we are starting to get really exited for this new adventure in our lives.

Old Navy

Babies are miracles! I do believe the one which didn't survive will not be forgotten.

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What is behind your choice of forum user name?

by stuckinarut2 in

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friends

just curious how we all think.. what prompted or influenced your choice of username for this forum?.

there are some really amazing names, and it would be great to hear the stories behind them.... mine was nothing fancy.

i just felt "stuck in a rut too" along with so many others.

Old Navy

I was 18 1/2 yrs. old when I departed from the Jws. A friend who

had joined the Naval Reserve suggested that I should join also.

Since I wasn't quite old enough yet to join without parental consent

I had to wait several months until I was 18.5 yr.s old in order to enlist

in the Naval Reserve by myself. When I joined it was the Old Navy.

It was a great career by the way (21 yrs.) which provided a top notch

education in Electronics Technology. No regrets.

Surprisingly, there were quite a few exJws in the Navy.

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Why does this forum tolerate Cold steele and his mormonism beliefs ? Who`s next ?

by smiddy in

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i thought this forum was for people who were ex jw`s and pro jw`s and the like to debate ,discuss and reasonably talk about our differences ,and sometimes drift off into politics world events and whatever.. however over a period of time i have come across cold steel `s many posts which are nothing more than promoting his mormon religions point of view./beliefs what has that got to do with jehovahs witnesses and the concerns many have with the jw religion.?.

it seems to me he is using this forum to promote his religion and is getting away with it over a long period of time.. how long before other cult religions see this as a springboard for promoting their own religion such as .

sda`s ,christian scientists , christadelphians ,beroean bible students ,etc.etc.. where will it end if he is able to keep doing this ?.

Old Navy

Quote from Punkofnice:

I'm done with self righteous mass debaters.

Luv it! Has a nice ring to it.

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Why does this forum tolerate Cold steele and his mormonism beliefs ? Who`s next ?

by smiddy in

jw
friends

i thought this forum was for people who were ex jw`s and pro jw`s and the like to debate ,discuss and reasonably talk about our differences ,and sometimes drift off into politics world events and whatever.. however over a period of time i have come across cold steel `s many posts which are nothing more than promoting his mormon religions point of view./beliefs what has that got to do with jehovahs witnesses and the concerns many have with the jw religion.?.

it seems to me he is using this forum to promote his religion and is getting away with it over a long period of time.. how long before other cult religions see this as a springboard for promoting their own religion such as .

sda`s ,christian scientists , christadelphians ,beroean bible students ,etc.etc.. where will it end if he is able to keep doing this ?.

Old Navy

I dunno, it seems that some may be too easily "offended." That claim in the forum setting has always troubled me.

I appreciate diverse viewpoints, no matter how off the wall they may appear to be.

I do understand that many X-Jws will never completely escape the depths of their indoctrination and programming and will be haunted by feelings of "exclusivity" forevermore. It's a very strong and prevalent emotion which arises in many discussions of TTATT.

Some of us have been less affected by the attempts at mind control; while I was indeed in the WTO as a Jw, it was never in me. If the propagated doctrine didn't make sense to me as a "doctrine of men" I rejected it. Silently of course.

Unfortunately, not all X-witnesses had been able to shield themselves from the deceptive repetitions so skillfully delivered within the Kingdom Halls and continue to struggle mightily for years to overcome the "triggers" and the emotional subconscious manifestation.

Learning to Love is a difficult task. Our "enemies" even!

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Just a survey

by Homer notsimpson in

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friends

just to get others opinions and experiences.

out of everyone in the jw organization, how many do you think never get caught doing a "gross sin "?

and how many do you think actually get caught?

Old Navy

My involvement with the witnesses began in the summer of 1957. One of my close friends in high school was a witness and that is when I became aware of it. I was baptized by the witnesses, but back then it wasn't a baptism into the society - it was done biblically in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I attended meetings at the Kingdom Hall, participated in the Ministry School and was a publisher who went from door to door. The young people in the congregation frequently had parties where dancing and kissing were indulged in without any adult supervision or chaperoning. Apparently we were trusted to not to go too far. We had normal relations with our worldy classmates and friends and even dated them if we desired. My witness classmate was steady with one of the girls in class who was a Presbyterian. Looking back to those days, while comparing things with how the society operates today, clarifies poignantly the degree of increased control and cultish procedures.

Was that congregation unusually loose? Have any other old-timers had similar experiences?